A response to Fr. Paul Robinson's failed attack on Geocentrism
Response to Fr. Robinson's recent interview at Catholic Family News...
“But I say to you not to swear at all, neither by heaven, for it is the throne of God: 35 Nor by the earth, for it is his footstool”. -Jesus Christ in Matthew 5:35.
After many recent false comments made by Fr. Paul Robinson in an interview at Catholic Family News, I thought it necessary to tell my audience and whoever I can get to listen a simple and concise treatment on WHY we're Geocentrists. And yes, it DOES matter .
WHY GEOCENTRISM? THIS IS WHY...
Geocentrism is a Truth of the Gospel that has been one of the most life changing aspects in my personal Faith experience. My whole life, as everyone else, I was taught the dreadful, Atheistic/Agnostic lie called the Copernican Principle, the very Principle which sought to destroy Faith in God, and Man's understanding of Him and His Truth. Once I realized that lying within the very minds and brains behind the dark, cold, and lonely Copernican Principle, God's Geocentric Universe was admitted as viable and plausible, and was merely Philosophically excluded due to these dire implications for Atheists and Agnostics that would be the direct results of this beautiful Truth becoming popularized...
IF EARTH IS THE CENTER OF THE UNIVERSE, SOMEONE MUST HAVE PUT IT THERE.
IF EARTH IS THE CENTER OF THE UNIVERSE, THE DIVINE REVELATION OF THE HOLY SCRIPTURE (THE BIBLE) ABOUT CREATION IS TRUE!
GOD IS ALIVE AND WE ARE VERY UNIQUELY CENTRAL, SPECIAL, AND FULL OF PURPOSE
For Six years, out of Thirteen self educating on Theology and Philosophy, I studied Geocentrism through Scripture, Tradition, Science, and History, mostly through the incredible scholarship of Dr. Robert Sungenis, as well as studying from MANY other Scientists and Scholars cited as sources in Dr. Sungenis' extensive research.
For example, here are some quotes from Dr. Robert Sungenis' book, “Scientific Heresies and their effect on the Church: a critique of Fr. Paul Robinson's book “The Realist Guide to Religion and Science”, which refute recent claims by Fr. Paul Robinson, made at Catholic Family News, that to be a Geocentrist, you'd have to “throw out Newton… throw out Einstein…” be “unscientific” or even his bold accusations that we don't use “the scientific method”.
These quotes will prove that Fr. Paul Robinson was speaking falsities about Science and Geocentrism, and thus will refute every false claim he made against Geocentrism and those of us who hold it dear:
“To be fair to Newton, he did at one point consider the viability of a system in which the Earth could be fixed and the sun and planets revolve around it. Newton said such a situation would require an “external force” outside the solar system that would offset the gravity of the sun. He writes:
In order for the Earth to be at rest in the center of the system of the Sun, Planets, and Comets, there is required both universal gravity and another force in addition that acts on all bodies equally according to the quantity of matter in each of them and is equal and opposite to the accelerative gravity with which the Earth tends to the Sun. For, such a force, acting on all bodies equally and along parallel lines, does not change their position among themselves, and permits bodies to move among themselves through the force of universal gravity in the same way as if it were not acting on them. Since this force is equal and opposite to its gravity toward the Sun, the Earth can truly remain in equilibrium between these two forces and be at rest. And thus celestial bodies can move around the Earth at rest, as in the Tychonic system.25" -From Scientific Heresies and their effect on the Church: a critique of "The Realist Guide to Religion and Science" by Fr. Paul Robinson by Dr. Robert Sungenis
Einstein gives us a viable, plausible Geocentric Cosmology...
"We see that even at this early time, the “relative motion” argument was in vogue, although neither side knew that relative motion incorporated dynamic forces. They only knew the geometry of relative motion. Einstein mentions at least one of the dynamic forces as he notes “the existence of such centrifugal forces” in the previous paragraph. In another place, he mentions the Coriolis force in a June 25, 1913 letter to Ernst Mach:
Your happy investigations on the foundations of mechanics, Planck’s unjustified criticism notwithstanding, will receive brilliant confirmation. For it necessarily turns out that inertia originates in a kind of interaction between bodies, quite in the sense of your considerations on Newton’s pail experiment. The first consequence is on p. 6 of my paper. The following additional points emerge: (1) If one accelerates a heavy shell of matter S, then a mass enclosed by that shell experiences an accelerative force. (2) If one rotates the shell relative to the fixed stars about an axis going through its center, a Coriolis force arises in the interior of the shell, that is, the plane of a Foucault pendulum is dragged around.22 What Einstein is saying is there are two basic forces generated from the angular momentum of a rotating universe, the centrifugal and the Coriolis forces. These two forces, in combination, will cause all the celestial bodies to revolve daily around the universe’s central axis. Although the centrifugal force makes the celestial bodies move outward, the Coriolis force, registering twice the power of the centrifugal, forces the bodies inward, and the result of the two unequal vectors will be a net centripetal force making all the celestial bodies circle the universe’s center of mass at their respective declinations and ascensions.23 Moreover, a fixed Earth will necessarily share the same center of mass with the universe, and viola! we have Einstein’s alternative universe that is demanded by his General Relativity theory.
The problem with the Newtonians, however, was that they could not engage in a “relative motion” argument, since they had to insist on an absolute universe if their equations (F = GM1m2/r2 and F = ma) were going to pan out. But insisting on an absolute universe as the reality still meant they were required to answer how their equations would fit into a non-absolute world. After all, we see rotations and accelerations almost everywhere we look. What the Newtonians found was that if the system under observation is accelerating (i.e., rotating), the only way Newtonian mechanics could account for the acceleration was by mathematically adding in, by hand, the centrifugal and Coriolis forces. Modern science still does the same today when they send space probes to the planets." -from Scientific Heresies and their effect on the Church: a critique of "The Realist Guide to Religion and Science" by Fr. Paul Robinson by Dr. Robert Sungenis...
World Famous and Highly Venerated Physicist, Ernst Mach, DECLARING Geocentrism as PLAUSIBLE and VIABLE...
"Obviously it matters little if we think of the Earth as turning about on its axis, or if we view it at rest while the fixed stars revolve around it.
Geometrically these are exactly the same case of a relative rotation of the Earth and the fixed stars with respect to one another." -From Ernst Mach, Die Mechanik in Ihrer Entwicklung Historich-Kritisch Dargestellt, Liepzig: Brokhaus, 1883. English title: The Science of Mechanics: A Critical and Historical Account of its Development, translated by T. J. Macormack, La Salle, Open Court Publishing, 1960, 6th edition, p. 201. The seventh edition of Mach’s book was published in 1912.
Once I found out that all the popular and legendary Scientists admitted that GEOCENTRISM was viable and plausible within the accepted Scientific Theories, Mathematics, and empirical data... I was amazed by the obvious lies and suppression against this beautiful Truth of Jesus Christ that have been forced upon the mind of man.
Next, after investigation of the case in the Tradition and Magisterium of the Church, it was a done deal. I gave God's Truth about the special location of Earth my full Faith and Trust. How could I not, when you hear such things as this from Saint Cardinal Robert Bellarmine who helped the pope to determine that Heliocentrism is a HERESY. Saint Bellarmine’s answer as he gave to Fr. Foscarini on April 12, 1615 is exactly how I would answer Fr. Robinson and any other antagonist:
"Second, I say that, as you know, the Council [of Trent] has prohibited interpretation of Scripture contrary to the common agreement of the Holy Fathers.26 And if Your Reverence will read not only the Holy Fathers but also the modern commentaries on Genesis, the Psalms, Ecclesiastes, and Joshua, you will find that they all agree on the literal interpretation that the sun is in heaven and rotates around the earth with great speed, and that the earth is very far from the heavens and stands immobile in the center of the world.27 Ask yourself then how could the Church, in its prudence, support an interpretation of Scripture which is contrary to all the Holy Fathers and to all the Greek and Latin commentators. Nor can one reply that this is not a matter of faith, because even if it is not a matter of faith because of the subject matter [ex parte objecti], it is still a matter of faith because of the speaker [ex parte decentis].28 Thus anyone who would say that Abraham did not have two sons and Jacob twelve would be just as much of a heretic as someone who would say that Christ was not born of a virgin, for the Holy Spirit has said both of these things through the mouths of the Prophets and the Apostles." -from Dr. Robert Sungenis' book Scientific Heresies and their effect on the Church: a critique of "The Realist Guide to Religion and Science" by Fr. Paul Robinson
Also, Joshua 10 gives powerful, explicit, evidence for Geocentrism from Divine Revelation. Joshua prayed and God specifically gave answer by stopping the revolutions of the Sun and Moon around the fixed Earth...
The only explanation of Joshua 10, as a literal Historical account, is that in reality the Earth does not move, the Sun and Moon revolve with the entire Universe of Cosmological Bodies around Earth, and God stopped both the movements of the Moon and Sun. The only argument against this, is to say that Joshua 10 is FICTION... which only a Liberal or Modernist interpretation would present.
God's Word literally tells us that He made the Sun and the Moon stop moving.... he caused them "to stand" still.
“12 Then Josue spoke to the Lord, in the day that he delivered the Amorrhite in the sight of the children of Israel, and he said before them: Move not, O sun, toward Gabaon, nor thou, O moon, toward the valley of Ajalon. 13 And the sun and the moon stood still, till the people revenged themselves of their enemies. Is not this written in the book of the just? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down the space of one day. 14 There was not before nor after so long a day, the Lord obeying the voice of a man, and fighting for Israel. 15 And Josue returned with all Israel into the camp of Galgal." -Douay-Rheims Bible
Note: Stood still", státhike akínitos, στάθηκε ακίνητος, Greek, to "to stand" or "to make stand"... also, עָמַד, amad, Hebrew, means the same; “to stand” or “to make stand”, as in stand still, stop, cease moving, of moon and sun in Joshua 10:13 [ (עמד במקום),amed bemekum ]
Ever since believing in God's Geocentric Universe, I've been in recovery from drugs, I’ve become stable in my mental health survival, I've even gone through my wife leaving and lots of other trauma with Christ's power and Victory turning suffering into STRENGTH. My calling and dreams have come to fruition. I'm full of peace and on fire for souls, living my dream doing work for Catholic Apologetics International with Dr. Robert Sungenis...
THERE'S A REASON THAT GEOCENTRISM WAS THE TRUTH HELD IN 💯 PERCENT UNANIMOUS CONSENSUS BY EVERY SINGLE FATHER OF THE CHURCH SINCE THE BEGINNING AND THROUGHOUT...
Geocentrism tells us MANY essential things about ourselves, our existence, our fellow brothers, our fellow creatures, all of Creation, and also about our Creator. It is a Divine Truth from the Mouth of God, explicit in Holy Scripture. There's a reason Christ had it taught and defended to the utmost for over 1800 years since the beginning of His Church. Sure, there's no legal penalty today for not believing Geocentrism, as obviously an attempt to unjustly suppress it and spread misinformation about it has been ongoing for nearly 200 years now by elites of Scientism, enemies of the Church, enemies WITHIN the Church, and sadly, also due to sheer ignorance and frequently this ignorance is obstinate and intentional. BUT, that doesn't mean AT ALL that this TRUTH OF GOD'S WORD is not STILL OF THE UTMOST IMPORTANCE. Nor does it mean it isn't CAPITAL T-Tradition. Vatican II and the New Code of Canon Law cannot undue the past, especially the Unanimous CONSENSUS of the Fathers, Doctors, Medeival Theologians, and the Roman Catechism of the Council of Trent:
And just to make it more certain that Geocentrism is, indeed, what the Catechism Teaches, here's commentary from Dr. Sungenis:
“In light of its date, 1566, the Catechism comes as more or less the capstone to the Church’s position since it had already rejected both Rheticus’ and Copernicus’ books on heliocentrism in the 1540s and put them both on the Index in 1559. The Catechism comes just seven years after the Index. In its first instance of teaching geocentrism, the Catechism states:
227…He also gave to the sun its brilliancy, and to the moon and stars their beauty; and that they might be for signs, and for seasons, and for days and years. He so ordered the celestial bodies in a certain and uniform course, that nothing varies more than their continual revolution, while nothing is more fixed than their variety.430
Although this wording is somewhat brief, it correctly describes the Church’s historical position. It states very clearly that the “sun…the moon and stars” are “celestial bodies” which move with a “certain and uniform course” and does not say that the Earth moves among them. Rather, to expel any doubt about what objects are revolving the catechism adds that the sun, moon and stars have a “continual revolution.” Although the unspecified reference to “revolution” might cause a heliocentrist to infer that the sun’s revolution does not necessarily mean it is revolving around the Earth, a few pages later the catechism disallows that inference by stating the following:
..The Earth also God commanded to stand in the midst of the world, rooted in its own foundation and made the mountains ascend, and the plains descend into the place which he had founded for them.…431
Up to the publishing of the Roman Catechism, we see the following in the Church’s teaching on the universe:
that sun and stars move. It never says the earth moves and, in fact, says the earth “stands still.” .. it says the sun and stars move in continual revolution. The only “revolution” that science and the Church knew was the stars and sun revolving around the earth.
Oresme suggested the earth might be rotating, but such diurnal motion was rejected by the Church in 1541, 1548 and placed on the Index in 1559, as well as condemned both in 1616 and 1633.
Cusa said the earth could be moving but not necessarily by rotating or revolution, but this was also rejected in 1541, 1548 and placed on the Index in 1559, as well as condemned both in 1616 and 1633.
the Tridentine catechism entertained no alternate scientific theory (i.e., heliocentrism) when it supported geocentrism. It made no statement accepting heliocentrism. It made no mention of acentrism, or any other view. It gave no credence to Oresme, Cusa, Aristarchus, Pythagorus or any view that said the earth moved;
the Tridentine catechism knew that the Catholic tradition believed the earth did not move and it makes no statement that indicates a break with the Church’s tradition, including no break against the consensus of the Fathers on geocentrism.” -from “Galileo Was Wrong the Church Was Right: Volume III” by Dr. Robert Sungenis
To close, it should be quite obvious after the previous presentation that Fr. Paul Robinson is really in desperate need of a refresher course on Science and the Galileo Case, as well as to understand the pride of place Geocentrism does hold in our Tradition and Holy Scripture. Also, remember that Creation Theology affects everything else in your Theology. Don't neglect this beautiful Truth, and I assure you, ALL the rest of God's Truths will COME TO LIFE in YOUR Life. Don't allow the foolish remarks from ignorance by those like Fr. Paul Robinson to detour you on your path to Truth.
GEOCENTRISM CHECKLIST FOR TRUTH:
ORDER OF CERTITUDE( ESPECIALLY FOR CATHOLICS)
1. GOD (✔️)
2. Scripture and Tradition (✔️)
3. SCIENCE (✔️)
4. Experience of Reality (✔️)
GEOCENTRISM PASSES EVERY SINGLE TEST YOU CAN THROW AT IT.
CASE CLOSED FOR GEOCENTRISM.
VERDICT: Geocentrism is the TRUTH FROM THE WORD OF GOD, a DOGMATIC FACT, a VIABLE AND PLAUSIBLE SCIENTIFIC THEORY, and represents fittingly Philosophical REALISM.
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